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Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Posted on: October 5, 2010 11:08 pm
Edited on: October 6, 2010 10:01 am

The Minnesota Vikings' trade for Randy Moss means one thing: desperation.

Don't get me wrong. I think Moss can play. I think Moss is still a legitimate deep threat.
But the Vikings have to part with a 2011 third-round pick, and then pay Moss a long-term contract.

That's risky for a receiver who is 33 years old. Does he help this season? Yes. And that's what this is all about.

Brett Favre is in the final year of his career -- or so he says -- and the Vikings have to win now. With Sidney Rice out with an injury, it means they lack a big-play receiver.

Moss is still that, but for how long? It;s not a good move for the long-term viability of the franchise.

From the Patriots end, I ask this: What are you thinking doing this?

The Patriots are 3-1, tied for the AFC East lead, and they don't have a deep threat to replace him. Do they think Wes Welker and Julian
Edelman and any other slot receiver can do what they do without Moss's presence on the field?Moss makes those guys go with his ability to stretch a defense. Without him, the dynamic of the offense changes in a big way.

"It would be a lot easier to defend when he isn't there," said one NFC defensive coordinato Tuesday night.

Yes, Moss is unhappy in New England. So what. His job is to play and as long as he's under contract he has no choice but to play.

The Patriots are dumb to trade him. The Vikings are even dumber trading for him.

If you recall, Favre pushed the Packers brass to acquire Moss when he was with Green Bay. Are his fingerprints on this one? Time will tell.

The way I see it, this is a lose-lose for both teams.

Moss will help the Vikings, but it's clear it's Super Bowl or bust for them now. Anything less is failure. It's all about the now. Favre and Moss together. Whew.

As for the Patriots, they are in rebuilding mode. At 3-1, that doesn't make sense. Do they think their special-teams will get two touchdowns every week?

Then again, Bill Belichick's track record on personnel hasn't been so sparkling lately.

I just don't get this one at all.

Category: NFL
Tags: Randy Moss

Since: Jun 29, 2009
Posted on: December 9, 2010 2:03 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Then again, Bill Belichick's track record on personnel hasn't been so sparkling lately.

I love you, Prisco.

You're like the ultimate good luck charm.

PLEASE pick against the Pats the rest of the way.

Since: Aug 10, 2007
Posted on: October 7, 2010 8:22 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Hey Rats! . . . Prisco as USUAL is such a freakin' idiot! He fails to mention, oe apparently even notice that Moss is ONLY under contract for the remainder of THIS season. There is no obligation by either party to make a " long term commitment" at this point. This was done for a couple reasons; 1) to make sure that Moss still has what the Vikings need, and 2) there was no way the Vikings were gonna give Moss a big contract when they need to resign Chad Greenway, Sidney Rice, and Ray Edwards to mention a few. The Vikings front office told all these guys that there would be no contract talks until after the season, and to have given Randy Moss a large long term deal would've sent a message to these other key players that he was important to the team and they weren't. . . Regardless, the trade for Moss was a great move by the Vikings. . . Not firing Prisco is a dumb move by CBS.

Since: Jan 20, 2008
Posted on: October 7, 2010 8:02 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

your opinion has been duly noted

SKOL Vikings

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2010 4:42 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

The trade of Randy Moss and a 7th in 2012 for a 3rd in 2011 was good both ways, not bad.  The Vikings want to get a Super Bowl while Brett Favre is still there and while Pat Williams still anchors the defense.  Next year, Favre will probably be gone, and age has to start catching up with Williams sooner or later.  So they get a great deep threat receiver who is also on the back side of his career.  With these weapons, the Vikings make their run with the present personnel.  If they can't get to the Super Bowl with this acquisition, then they're not going with the present talent at all.

In the meantime, the Patriots have an assortment of receiving threats.  Pete seems to think that the Pats have no one to go down the field.  Anyone who's watched Brandon Tate knows this is a guy breaking out.  They have to get him onto the field.  Aaron Hernandez is nominally a tight end, but is more like an enormous wide receiver who has shown breakaway ability and great hands.  Julian Edelman has performed much like Wes Welker because he was used as the substitute for Welker when he went down, but Edelman is taller and faster than Welker.  He's another guy who can make things happen.

The thing about the Patriots is that they, like the Steelers a generation ago, rebuild on the fly.  Ron Shanklin, Frank Lewis, Ben McGee and Frenchy Fuqua go out the door and in come Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Dwight White and Rocky Bleier.  More recently, they ditch Joey Porter and Clark Haggans and in come James Harrison and Lamar Woodley.  It's how the top-drawer outfits do it.  10-6 is what they do when they're rebuilding.

Since: Jan 18, 2008
Posted on: October 7, 2010 3:07 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

"The way I see it, this is a lose-lose for both teams.

Moss will help the Vikings, but it's clear it's Super Bowl or bust for them now. Anything less is failure. It's all about the now. Favre and Moss together. Whew."

What?  Lose for the Patriots: check.  Lose for the Vikes because now they have to win a Super Bowl?

I don't follow the logic.  Probably because there is none.  That they must win a Super Bowl because they acquired Moss, I think, is a faulty premise.  If they do, Priscoe should wear a Moss jersey for a week.

Championship or no, Moss adds a critical dimension to the offense this season, and worst-case, opens up the field for Shiancoe, Harvin, and Peterson.  More likely, he'll put up serious numbers, revive Favre, and when joined by Rice, weeks from now, provide one of the most dangerous 1, 2 receiver combos in the league.

That Moss is a negative for the Vikes is one of the most ridiculous assertions I can imagine.  I think Priscoe just enjoys pissing people off.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2010 2:26 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Excellent Point Brididdy46!

Since: Jan 10, 2007
Posted on: October 7, 2010 12:51 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

I love the haters. He would have been a distraction.
He's gone like many before him and the Pats keep winning.
3rd round pick a waste? Ronde Barber, Joey Porter, Hines Ward, Jason Taylor, Frank Gore, Steve Smith , Mike Vrabel, Lance Briggs, Jason Witten, Justin Tuck
The list goes on.

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2010 12:44 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

I don't know how much the trade will matter, other than potentially causing problems for the Vikings.  You look at both teams and they don't look like they're going anywhere soon regardless. 

Patriots are middle of pack in rushing and passing offense, bottom five in pass defense, and bottom third in run defense (YPC).  They haven't exactly shined in any phase of the game (maybe special teams?) with Moss there, and they're not playing like contenders.  Obviously, the same goes for the Vikings.  Their defense has been surprisingly disappointing - still pretty strong against the run, but not what was expected, and unable to pressure opposing quarterbacks (APB on Jared Allen, anyone?) - and their offense has been very average despite one of the league's best running games.  Schedules aside, it would look like the Vikings have the better chance to turn it around based on the better defense and running game, but I don't think an unhappy Moss brings anything positive to an offense.  If he's jogging and quitting on routes like he's done in the past when he didn't feel like playing, he won't force double coverage.  Defenses adapted to his lazy play in the past and they'll do it again.  Unless the Vikings make him happy quick, which could cause all sorts of problems down the road.

Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2010 11:56 am

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Do you even know what we traded for Hershal Walker?

<dl><dt>Minnesota Vikings received</dt> </dl>
  • RB Herschel Walker
  • Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
  • San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
  • Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
  • Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)
<dl><dt>Dallas Cowboys received</dt> </dl>
  • LB Jesse Solomon
  • LB David Howard
  • CB Issiac Holt
  • RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
  • DE Alex Stewart
  • Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
  • Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright )
  • Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
  • Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
  • Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
  • Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
  • Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
  • Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)
 If you consider that anything like a 3rd round pick and likely contract extension for Moss and a 7th round pick then I don't even know what to think about you.

Since: Nov 23, 2007
Posted on: October 7, 2010 11:38 am

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

You know who wins in all of this??? Adrian Peterson...No more 8-9 guys in the box...This makes the Vikes a much more dangerous team and if they can get past there early losses they can still win the division.....

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