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Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Posted on: October 3, 2011 3:27 pm
Edited on: October 4, 2011 1:10 am

Saints coach Sean Payton is one of the league's most-aggressive play callers.

But sometimes he can be too aggressive.

Take the end of the Jaguars-Saints game Sunday. His team was leading 23-10, but Payton kept throwing. Drew Brees was picked off once and the Saints had a tough time using up the clock. The Saints had three possessions starting from 11:43 left to 2:07 left. They ran 12 plays, not counting fourth down. Eight of those plays were passes. They didn't get any points, and had a 50-yard missed field goal by John Kasay. It just didn't make any sense. A

fter the game, Payton said they had some problems late and said it was "my fault."  Drew Brees defended the style.  "We wer executing our offense," Brees said. "Twenty-three to 10 is not anything. You have to distance yourself. Never play conservatively when the game is that close. We were still calling plays, pushing the ball down the field." I know that's who they are, but at some point they have to be able to milk clock. Isn't that why they drafted Mark Ingram in the first round?

I asked some defensive players about it, but they waved me off. Publicly. Privatley, you could tell they were not happy about it. I believe Payton is the best at calling plays in the NFL. But sometimes he gets a little too arrogant in how he's calling them. That appeared to be the case in Jacksonville Sunday.

---The Eagles are in big trouble. Not only are they 1-3, but they had some significant injures Sunday. They lost defensive tackle Antonio Dixon, one of their top run stuffers, for the season with a torn triceps. Pass rusher Trent Cole, who was playing as well as any defensive end in the league, is expected to miss three weeks or so with a calf injury and left tackle Jason Peters, their best lineman, will likely miss a couple of weeks with a hamstring. Three key players on the two lines going down will be tough to overcome. Dream Team? Not now.

---Amazing stat: Tom Brady passed Joe Montana on the all-time touchdown list Sunday with 275 to put him eighth all time -- only 124 behind Peyton Manning. That's 124. Unreal.

---There wasn't much doubt the Bears would feed Matt Forte against the Panthers. Carolina has problems stopping the run and the Bears were taking heat for not running it enough. Forte responded with a 205-yard rushing performance. Want to bet Mike Martz goes back to throwing it against the Lions this week anyway?

---The Bears defense isn't very good. They've given up over 500 yards the past two weeks. Isn't that a unit that has Julius Peppers and Brian Urlacher?

---So Santonio Holmes wants the ball more? Wonder where that story came from? Hmm. His agent, maybe?

---Rookie receivers A.J. Green and Julio Jones are having good starts to their careers, both coming off 100-yard days. That should help the draft stock of Oklahoma State's Justin Blackman, South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery and Notre Dame's Michael Floyd, three good-size receivers who are expected to go in the first round. Count Jacksonville as a team that will take one of those receivers if it gets a chance.

--In four games, Seattle's Mike Williams has 79 yards receiving. So much for that great comeback continuing from last season. Williams looks heavier to me than a year ago. That was the problem when he was a first-round pick with the Lions.

---Why can't the Eagles play in the fourth quarter? They have been outscored 36-0 in the fourth quarter of their last three games. By they way, they've lost all three.

---Broncos need to ditch those stupid Tim Tebow plays. Way too predictable. They ran him once for a minus-1 yard against the Packers. Oh, boy.

---Nice move by the Packers to re-sign receiver Jordy Nelson to a three-year deal. The way the Packers are playing it's hard to believe so many people in Green Bay once wanted general manager Ted Thompson fired.

---Looks like the Patriots have found a good, young back in rookie Stevan Ridley. He runs hard. He ran 10 times for 97 yards against the Raiders. The rookie from LSU was on my Better-Than Team this spring of guys I liked better than the scouts. Hey, I got one.

---I thought it was an insult for teammates to speculate that running back Peyton Hillis didn't play last week because he's not happy with his contract, rather that strep throat. Of all the players in this league, Hillis would be the last I would think would play that card.

---I really like Leslie Frazier as a coach. But the Vikings coach needs to sit Donovan McNabb down now and play Christian Ponder. The Vikings aren't going anywhere, so get on with the future.

---Whatever Charles Woodson takes to stay young, I want some of it. He's 35 and continues to make big plays. The guy is a star. He had another interception return for a touchdown Sunday against the Broncos

--The interception Jason Campbell threw to Patrick Chung in the end zone Sunday might have been the worst I've ever seen. There wasn't an Oakland player in the area. The Raiders had a chance to go up 14-10 there. That can't happen.


Since: Mar 26, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2011 2:46 pm

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Holy !$@# I agree on something with Pete. 

"Count Jacksonville as a team that will take one of those recievers if it gets a chance."

Mike Thomas is a pretty good pass catcher, but we need a true #1 to go with Gabbert.  If we had a legit pass offense, MoJo wouldn't have to worry about 7 guys coming on every play.

Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: October 5, 2011 6:28 am

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Will somebody please give Petey an ID10T form so that we can verify his qualifications for submitting articles on this website? Thank you.

Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 2:52 am

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Too aggressive?  Now I've heard it all in terms of stupidity... you do realize 13 points = 2 DRIVES!   TWO!!   

Yeah, let's just ask Dallas for instance how that "sitting on a lead" worked for them, shall we?     Or how about the Vikings.. You know the team that had double digit leads in THREE games and blew them all? 

Hell, how about how well that "aggressive" play calling for the Eagles have done in their last three games?    Anyone notice that Prisco doesn't congratulate the Eagles for playing "Non-aggressive" and losing their last three...

Since: Aug 29, 2011
Posted on: October 4, 2011 10:17 pm

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

I remember too many times in 2007 and 2008 when Sean Payton called a convoluted play that blew up in their faces. As recently as 2009, the Saints put lagging opponents away with the running game. So I get where Prisco is coming from. A team doesn't need to use high-risk, high-reward plays all the time. The difference between now and then is that in the past, Sean Payton's assessment of the potential success of a play may have been overly optimistic. Now, when he runs a riskier play, I think he has a good assessment of the risk. Did the Saints need to keep pushing at the end of the Jaguars game? No. Payton knew he could run the ball. But he chose to go with the riskier play. What Prisco is saying is that Payton didn't appreciate the risk. In that case, I side with Payton.

Since: Nov 10, 2007
Posted on: October 4, 2011 5:00 pm

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Sean Payton gambles when he feels the cards are stacked in his favor.  So what?  His aggressive play calling called for opening the second half of the 2009 SB with an onsides kick (which the Saints recovered).  Well, he won that game too.  Payton's risks may not pay off all the time, but they do often enough to make for good highlight footage on ESPN.

Perhaps Prisco's readers would be better served with an article that questions the play calling of a team that isn't 3-1 at this point in the season.

Since: Jul 27, 2010
Posted on: October 4, 2011 4:03 pm

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

I think you guys are giving Prisco too hard a time (cant believe Im saying that.) You do want to stay aggressive and all, but in the 4th Q with a 2 score lead, 75% passing plays is a little too aggressive in my book. While you want to give your team the chance to win, you also want to give the other team the ball the least amount of times possible. I think GBs coach usually goes too far on the conservative side, almost moving to exclusively running sometimes, but you also can't just keep giving a team the ball with time on the clock...eventually they will take advantage. Eventually, a pick late in the game will lose it for you. You have to trust your team to make the right decisions, but you should also provide them with the best plan for getting the victory.

He may not be right in saying that the Saints went about it the wrong way, but I wouldnt say that asking for a more balanced attack when up by two scores is that ridiculous of a request. 

Since: Oct 4, 2011
Posted on: October 4, 2011 12:15 pm

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

What can you say... It's Prisco!


Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: October 4, 2011 11:55 am

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Maybe Prisco has 2 NO RB's & 2 NO WR on his fantasy team and the Saints are spreading the ball to everyone so no one gets many  fantasy points.Oh, wait, that's me Embarassed

Since: Oct 4, 2011
Posted on: October 4, 2011 11:08 am

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

The only difference between my opinion and your opinion is that you get paid for your words. Aggressive play calling? So your opinion on how to win games is to be conservative? I understand your opinion on running the ball... controlling the clock and protecting your quarterback at the tail end of the game... But you SHOULD know at this day and age in this league a 13 point lead with time left on the clock isn't safe. Sean Payton takes risks. It's what he does and it won us a Super Bowl. *AMBUSH* With the high powered offense the Saints have it's in their demeanor to put teams away. No lead is safe until the clock reads 00:00. You can't blame Sean Payton's play calling. The guy has Drew Brees at the helm. I'm sure any coach in this league would love to have him with his amazing ability to score on any play and to utilize that ability until the end. The Saints' motto is to FINISH STRONG... Not to play PREVENT OFFENSE. There's a reason why you are writing articles and I'm sitting here commenting on them. We're not talented enough to coach an NFL team. In the end you'll still be searching for excuses to rip the Saints and I'll still be cheering them on to another Super Bowl. I love reading your "predictions". They're not predictions... They're assumptions. This blog may have made sense if his play calling would have cost the Saints the game but the last I heard it didn't and they won. SHOUT OUT TO FLEUR-D-LICIOUS!
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Since: Oct 4, 2011
Posted on: October 4, 2011 10:28 am

Monday Musings: Saints too aggressive at end

Prisco is still bitter towards Sean Payton because of the 2009 season, when the Saints lost the last 3 games of the season, but then WALLOPED the Cardinals in Round 2 of the playoffs.   Before that game, Prisco was all hung up about "momentum", and predicted the Saints would fall flat in the playoffs.  Sean Payton opened his post game press conference by saying "so much for momentum".    The next day, Priscoe squeeled about that comment for 14 paragraphs, and never once commented on the game.

I can see by articles like this that the GREAT PRISCO never got over that 4-word uppercut that Sean Payton hit him with.  Deep down inside, Prisco is nothing but an armchair quarterback who sits by the phone, wondering why NFL Offensive Coordinators don't call him up and ask him for advice.

Be a real journalist Prisco - stick to the facts.

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