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Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

Posted on: October 18, 2011 12:35 pm
Edited on: October 18, 2011 12:55 pm
 

The Carson Palmer trade to the Oakland Raiders does two things:

It makes the Raiders a true playoff contender and it shows that Bengals owner Mike Brown isn't as stubborn -- or as foolish -- as some might think.

When Jason Campbell went down, it made sense for the Raiders to make a move for a player like Palmer. They have so much speed, so much young talent, that just getting through the season with the Kyle Bollers of the world made no sense.

Palmer is legitimate. Some will say he's never won a playoff game. Some will say his arm isn't the same as before he hurt his elbow. I don't buy it. I've always been in Palmer's corner as a player. I didn't like his move to sit out -- but I guess it worked.

Irony of ironies: He wanted out of Cincinnati, which some think is a disheveled organization, and he lands with the one that is even more uncertain. Owner Al Davis recently passed away, so the Raiders are a ship without a real captain.

Palmer will join a team loaded with speed at the receiver position. Darrius Heyward-Bey is starting to live up this his billing. Jacoby Ford can fly. Rookie Denarius Moore is a player. Oh, and they have Darren McFadden.

Hue Jackson, an underrated offensive coach, will make this team explosive with Palmer.

As for the Bengals, they get two first-round picks. If Palmer is as good as I think he will be for the Raiders, they will be late-first picks. But the Bengals have a rookie quarterback in Andy Dalton who is playing well, so Palmer was expendable and the price was too good to pass up.

Even a stubborn Brown couldn't pass that up.

The trade is a win-win all the way around.

PS: I really like my pick of the Raiders to make the playoffs now.

Category: NFL
Comments

Since: Sep 7, 2008
Posted on: October 22, 2011 11:29 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

Well written, and sums up my feelings on the whole shebang. WHO DEY!



Since: Sep 21, 2010
Posted on: October 20, 2011 9:12 pm
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

Rule #1: This is still San Diego's division.

Rule #2: The wild card spots will be won by Pittsburgh and Buffalo.

Rule #3: See Rules #1 & #2 if you still think Palmer will take this Oakland team to the playoffs......"PLAYOFFS!," did Prisco say "PLAYOFFS?"



Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 7:02 pm
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

How did they trade away anything of value?   Palmer was sitting out and refusing to play. In CINCY, it's Dalton or nothing now and even had they not made the trade, this would hold true.

From a life long Bengals fan....what do I think about the Carson Palmer trade?

I want to hate Carson, he did quit on us after all. ..... but I can't.

Last year at the end of a really rough season, he said trade me or I'm done.

Mike said, nope. They both meant what they said.

Carson Palmer has always been a class act in Cincinnati. No controversy, no spats, no reality shows.

So what happened in 2010 really puzzles me.

To understand the story, you have to begin in 2009. The Bengals swept the AFC north, a first in their history. The defense and the running game was what got them there.

The one problem with 2009 and a reason many say they lost in the playoffs was the lack of any real receiving core other that Chad OchoCinco.

So what did the Bengals do for Carson in 2010? Short answer? A LOT!

In the 1st round they took J. Gresham. Yep..a Tight End and they took him with their 1st pick. You normally don't see a lot of 1st round T.E's taken and it's something the Bengals had not done in their history that I can remember. But JG was a solid 1st pick..many considered him one of the best players in that draft and the Bengals broke from traditional to snag him. Why? For Carson.

Later in that draft they snagged another good young receiver, Shipley.

Meanwhile, they kept all the great pieces from 2009. They still had the good D. They signed Cedric Benson, they didn't want to screw with what worked.

But they weren't done giving Carson gifts to pad his stats.

Carson spent the entire off-season of 2010 working out with Terrel Owens.

They became good friends and they seemed to have a good chemistry so Carson Palmer went to Mike Brown and said, "I want T.O."

Against their better judgment, they gave Carson what he wanted.

So now you have Ocho, T.O. Gresham, Shipley, Caldwell and a cast of more ...all for Carson.

Defense ready? CHECK

Running game intact? CHECK

Lot's of targets for Carson and Carson is happy? CHECK.

It didn't work out so well. Carson tossed more INTS than at any time in his career. The Bengals went 4-12. T.O. was a bust, his numbers were ok but the chemistry of the team went south and Carson started looking like a really bad QB. No one was catching anything except the defenders.

Late in the season, when the Bengals were something like like 3-8... Carson hit a milestone. He went over 20,000 total yards in his career. He did this at Paul Brown stadium in front of a sellout crowd. When the stat was put up on the board, the fans BOOED.

Carson looked bad...real bad. The running game was still good but the Bengals stopped using it.

The D. was still good but Carson's turnovers made them a moot point.

So when the season was over, I could not believe it when Carson said trade me or I'm done.

All Mike Brown did was give him everything he wanted. When Carson 1st came to Cincy, Mikey made him the highest paid QB in the NFL at that time. This is the Bengals, they don't do that.

They have given him everything he could have ever wanted and this is how he repays them?

You can bash Mike Brown all you want but this is all on Carson.

I have no idea what made him self-destruct like he did but for once I can't blame the Bengals for how they handled him or how they refused to budge when he said trade me or else.

Then the Browns helped Carson out by breaking the Raiders QB's collarbone and the rest is history.

The Bengals HAD to accept this trade offer. It was like someone giving you a pound of gold for a turd. If you don't make that trade, you are insane. What can you lose? NOTHING! Carson won't play for you so you are losing nothing.

Mike Brown now looks like a freaking Einstein! Good for him.

But..... even after all of this, I don't hate Carson. I oddly find myself saying, "Good for him".

I always liked him. He is a class act. He had seasons of pure genius and seasons that I don't want to remember.

But I wish him well.

I do hope this works out for the Raiders, except when they play the Bengals.

I wish Carson well. I still think this is all a problem in his head but if his head is clear now, the Raiders may have done real good here.

Good luck Carson, Good luck Raiders, Good luck Bengals! WHO-DEY!





Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 12:50 pm
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

Draft picks are nothing more that unproven pro players. Numerous # 1's have turned out to be busts. In Carson Palmer the Raiders get a QB that is a proven above average QB at this level. With all the weapons and line the Raiders have he'll certainly beome a better QB than he was the last several years with The Benagals. It's one of those trades that's a good deal for both teams. At 31 yrs. old, Palmer should have a lot left in him. And, for those suggesting his numbers have dwindled the last few years just look at the guys he was throwing to. Chad whatever his name is has done ziltch with the best QB in the league in N.E. Hooshman is out of the league, having been released by Seattle. T.O.? Not playing anymore. No wonder his numbers were on a decline. He actually made them look better than they obviously were. I think the Raiders numerous young, talented W.R.'s might make this guy an all-pro again based upon the production he got out of those guys.



Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 11:11 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

Palmer did bounce back nicely from the 2005 playoff injury, though he has never duplicated the numbers he had that year. What he hasn't bounced back from is the elbow injury he had in 2008. He missed almost the entire season that year due to tendon and ligament damage and he refused to have Tommy John surgery. He no longer has the accuracy and zip on his passes that he once had. Maybe that can continue to get better over time. I don't know. As is he's still a 60% passer w/80 QB rating (rather than 67% w/100 QB rating), which is pretty good (but about what Campbell is). He will throw a lot of ints but he will also throw a lot of TDs if he stays healthy. I'll say this, he sure makes the Raiders more interesting to watch.



Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 10:39 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

"And is he really a better bet over the next 5 years than Campbell? "

YES!!

At Carson's worst, he is Jason Campbell on this team. At his best, he can be a top 10-15 QB and give the Raiders a chance to compete with any team in the league.

Yes he was hurt, he rebounded fine. The Bengals stunk and he was miserable, of course that affects how one plays. He has a fresh start, he's on the west coast (where he's from) and he walks into a legitimate playoff team. Palmer is happy and will play well, scoop him up on your fantasy waiver wire now.




Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: October 19, 2011 10:01 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

I know that the organization and fan base is still stinging from the Jamarcus Russell pick, but high picks cannot just be dismissed because everyone follows Forrest Gump logic and thinks, 'Hey, you never what you're going to get.'

The Raiders have hit on 5 of 6 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 4 years.  McFadden, Heyward-Bey (who may still be a stretch as a hit, but he's a starter), Lamarr Houston, Rolando McClain, and Stefan Wiesnewski are all starters.  Not every pick needs to be an all-pro, but McFadden and McClain have at least shown that potential.

If the Raiders' depth chart was deeper, you could make an argument that maybe the picks aren't needed as much.  But that's not the case.  And to the poster who thinks that the Raiders have solved their quarterback situation for the next 5 years, take a look at Carson Palmer's regression over the last 5 and let us know what you think.  I agree that a lot of that was shell-shock, and the time away from football will likely have helped with that.  But don't expect Palmer to be in the ProBowl this year.

He's still an upgrade over Boller, but he'll still have to stay healthy.  And is he really a better bet over the next 5 years than Campbell?  Just asking, because I'm no Jason Campbell fan in the slightest.



Since: Dec 22, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:53 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

PALMER is an elite QB; Steelers Nation was LUCKY that he went down during a playoff game, first series tackle by our van Olhoffen, I believe.  Palmer ALWAYS threatened the Steelers, with FAR less talent.  He will make Oak-town a CONTENDER  



Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:38 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

In his Week 6 Grades article, Prisco rips Palmer for sitting out while his old team is lead by a rookie to a 4-2 record.  Prisco talks about how Palmer is missing out playing with good young talent, blah blah blah.



Palmer now gets to play with better young talent in Oakland.



Since: Nov 22, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 8:13 am
 

Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

On paper this is a great trade for both teams.  

But the uncertainty of both sides won't really give you a clear cut winner until maybe a few years down the road.  You are talking about a QB that hasn't thrown a meaninful pass in the NFL in almost a year.  And 2 draft(one of which we don't even know what it will turn out to be), Mike Brown could turn around and draft 2 busts and then everyone will be calling HIM a bum.  

I definitely think the Raiders took the bigger gamble here, but with their recent history of draft classes, they probably did the next GM of the the Oakland Raiders a favor by not giving him any draft picks to screw up. 


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